人的认识最终能达到什么程度

[fhnan]

我们是不是在simulation里面
我周围的世界是不是幻觉
有没有掌控整个宇宙的神存在
我们的宇宙是不是多重宇宙中的一个。

给人类足够长的时间 我们的认识能得到以上问题的答案吗

[iMaJia]

悲觀一點的說，可能宇宙有很多文明。但是不管科技多先進，都不能離開所在星系。所以文明都注定孤獨

[Highly]

这个有好多数学家和物理学家都在研究，当成正规课题。大家普遍认为，世界就是个simulation，这跟佛教经典教义完全一致。

凡所有相，皆是虚妄。

众生原本都是佛，只因以假作真，迷失了本性，才堕入六道轮回，生生世世。

[Highly]

另外，“宇宙的尽头是黄色”。我等着看塞版版主的楼啥时候扯到XXOO上去

[fhnan]

这个有好多数学家和物理学家都在研究，当成正规课题。大家普遍认为，世界就是个simulation，这跟佛教经典教义完全一致。

凡所有相，皆是虚妄。

众生原本都是佛，只因以假作真，迷失了本性，才堕入六道轮回，生生世世。

问题是这都是猜测 没有100%的实证

[Highly]

问题是这都是猜测 没有100%的实证

并不都是猜测。很多人是当成严肃课题来做的。目前是没有实证，但科学在发展，迟早有那么一天。

下面只是一个例子：

A Scientist Says He Has the Evidence That We Live in a Simulation

“In physics, there are laws that govern everything that happens in the universe, for example how objects move, how energy flows, and so on. Everything is based on the laws of physics,” Vopson said back in 2022. “One of the most powerful laws is the second law of thermodynamics, which establishes that entropy—a measure of disorder in an isolated system – can only increase or stay the same, but it will never decrease.”

Based on this famous law, Vopson expected that entropy in information systems—which his previous research defined as a “fifth state of matter”—should similarly increase over time. But it doesn’t. Instead, it remains constant, or even decreases to a minimum value at equilibrium. This is in direct contrast to the second law of thermodynamics, which inspired Vopson to adopt the Second Law of Information Dynamics (or Infodynamics).


“We know the universe is expanding without the loss or gain of heat, which requires the total entropy of the universe to be constant,” Vopson wrote in The Conversation. “However we also know from thermodynamics that entropy is always rising. I argue this shows that there must be another entropy—information entropy—to balance the increase.”

Vopson argues that this law plays a role in atomic physics (electron arrangement), cosmology (see above), and biological systems. This last one is where Vopson makes a big claim: contrary to Charles Darwin’s idea that mutations occur randomly, mutations actually occur so that information entropy is minimized. Vopson analyzed the constantly-mutating SARS-CoV-2 (a.k.a. COVID-19) virus, and his paper on that investigation—published this past October in the journal AIP Advances—shows a “unique correlation between the information and the dynamics of the genetic mutations.”

What this all adds up to, in Vospon’s estimation, is that the Second Law of Infodynamics could also be used to prove that we live in a simulation.

“A super complex universe like ours, if it were a simulation, would require a built-in data optimization and compression in order to reduce the computational power and the data storage requirements to run the simulation,” Vopson wrote in The Conversation. “This is exactly what we are observing all around us, including in digital data, biological systems, mathematical symmetries and the entire universe.”

All of these claims require significant further testing and verification before even being considered plausible, and as IFLScience notes, there are as many research papers refuting our digital existence as there are promoting its scientific inevitability. It’s possible that Vopson’s Second Law of Infodynamics could lead to some interesting discoveries, but the question first pondered by Plato remains unanswered.

[fhnan]

并不都是猜测。很多人是当成严肃课题来做的。目前是没有实证，但科学在发展，迟早有那么一天。

下面只是一个例子：

A Scientist Says He Has the Evidence That We Live in a Simulation

“In physics, there are laws that govern everything that happens in the universe, for example how objects move, how energy flows, and so on. Everything is based on the laws of physics,” Vopson said back in 2022. “One of the most powerful laws is the second law of thermodynamics, which establishes that entropy—a measure of disorder in an isolated system – can only increase or stay the same, but it will never decrease.”

Based on this famous law, Vopson expected that entropy in information systems—which his previous research defined as a “fifth state of matter”—should similarly increase over time. But it doesn’t. Instead, it remains constant, or even decreases to a minimum value at equilibrium. This is in direct contrast to the second law of thermodynamics, which inspired Vopson to adopt the Second Law of Information Dynamics (or Infodynamics).


“We know the universe is expanding without the loss or gain of heat, which requires the total entropy of the universe to be constant,” Vopson wrote in The Conversation. “However we also know from thermodynamics that entropy is always rising. I argue this shows that there must be another entropy—information entropy—to balance the increase.”

Vopson argues that this law plays a role in atomic physics (electron arrangement), cosmology (see above), and biological systems. This last one is where Vopson makes a big claim: contrary to Charles Darwin’s idea that mutations occur randomly, mutations actually occur so that information entropy is minimized. Vopson analyzed the constantly-mutating SARS-CoV-2 (a.k.a. COVID-19) virus, and his paper on that investigation—published this past October in the journal AIP Advances—shows a “unique correlation between the information and the dynamics of the genetic mutations.”

What this all adds up to, in Vospon’s estimation, is that the Second Law of Infodynamics could also be used to prove that we live in a simulation.

“A super complex universe like ours, if it were a simulation, would require a built-in data optimization and compression in order to reduce the computational power and the data storage requirements to run the simulation,” Vopson wrote in The Conversation. “This is exactly what we are observing all around us, including in digital data, biological systems, mathematical symmetries and the entire universe.”

All of these claims require significant further testing and verification before even being considered plausible, and as IFLScience notes, there are as many research papers refuting our digital existence as there are promoting its scientific inevitability. It’s possible that Vopson’s Second Law of Infodynamics could lead to some interesting discoveries, but the question first pondered by Plato remains unanswered.

我比较悲观 感觉就像人不能揪着自己的头发把自己拎起来 我们可能对这些问题永远得不到答案 只能选一个去相信。

[pathdream]

思想超过三维空间的限制到四维或者五维

[tiantian2000]

说实话，人类宇航发展，别说指数了，都不是线性的，大概是个抛物线。以目前，以及可以想象的未来的速度，出太阳系都不可能。你们所说的宇宙，所谓的可视宇宙，900多亿光年，跟你一毛钱关系都没有，和一光年的太阳系区别不大，剩下的都是幻象。造物主搞这么绝望的距离，其实是为了省事儿，不用修围墙，就像在荒漠里的监狱。

[wmysh]

佛教名词阿赖耶识，了解一下？

[Hyderabad]

并不都是猜测。很多人是当成严肃课题来做的。目前是没有实证，但科学在发展，迟早有那么一天。

下面只是一个例子：

A Scientist Says He Has the Evidence That We Live in a Simulation

“In physics, there are laws that govern everything that happens in the universe, for example how objects move, how energy flows, and so on. Everything is based on the laws of physics,” Vopson said back in 2022. “One of the most powerful laws is the second law of thermodynamics, which establishes that entropy—a measure of disorder in an isolated system – can only increase or stay the same, but it will never decrease.”

Based on this famous law, Vopson expected that entropy in information systems—which his previous research defined as a “fifth state of matter”—should similarly increase over time. But it doesn’t. Instead, it remains constant, or even decreases to a minimum value at equilibrium. This is in direct contrast to the second law of thermodynamics, which inspired Vopson to adopt the Second Law of Information Dynamics (or Infodynamics).


“We know the universe is expanding without the loss or gain of heat, which requires the total entropy of the universe to be constant,” Vopson wrote in The Conversation. “However we also know from thermodynamics that entropy is always rising. I argue this shows that there must be another entropy—information entropy—to balance the increase.”

Vopson argues that this law plays a role in atomic physics (electron arrangement), cosmology (see above), and biological systems. This last one is where Vopson makes a big claim: contrary to Charles Darwin’s idea that mutations occur randomly, mutations actually occur so that information entropy is minimized. Vopson analyzed the constantly-mutating SARS-CoV-2 (a.k.a. COVID-19) virus, and his paper on that investigation—published this past October in the journal AIP Advances—shows a “unique correlation between the information and the dynamics of the genetic mutations.”

What this all adds up to, in Vospon’s estimation, is that the Second Law of Infodynamics could also be used to prove that we live in a simulation.

“A super complex universe like ours, if it were a simulation, would require a built-in data optimization and compression in order to reduce the computational power and the data storage requirements to run the simulation,” Vopson wrote in The Conversation. “This is exactly what we are observing all around us, including in digital data, biological systems, mathematical symmetries and the entire universe.”

All of these claims require significant further testing and verification before even being considered plausible, and as IFLScience notes, there are as many research papers refuting our digital existence as there are promoting its scientific inevitability. It’s possible that Vopson’s Second Law of Infodynamics could lead to some interesting discoveries, but the question first pondered by Plato remains unanswered.

那个科学家（Vopson）说的没毛病；
文章作者（和你？）过分解读了

[rgg]

其实这个本体论问题没有那么重要。
重要的是个体体验。

[mzliew]

美国的确实是抛物线，峰顶点在阿波罗月球飙车。中国到目前还可以算是log

说实话，人类宇航发展，别说指数了，都不是线性的，大概是个抛物线。以目前，以及可以想象的未来的速度，出太阳系都不可能。你们所说的宇宙，所谓的可视宇宙，900多亿光年，跟你一毛钱关系都没有，和一光年的太阳系区别不大，剩下的都是幻象。造物主搞这么绝望的距离，其实是为了省事儿，不用修围墙，就像在荒漠里的监狱。

[pathdream]

美国的确实是抛物线，峰顶点在阿波罗月球飙车。中国到目前还可以算是log

峰顶点属于好莱坞

[laomei9]

又学了个抛物线的新名词，这不是初中数学里的吗？
可视宇宙之外是什么，只能去猜想吧，认识程度对个体来讲
其实也就是个娱乐

[qiaka]

我们是不是在simulation里面
我周围的世界是不是幻觉
有没有掌控整个宇宙的神存在
我们的宇宙是不是多重宇宙中的一个。

给人类足够长的时间 我们的认识能得到以上问题的答案吗

外星飞船能瞬间消失或瞬间出现。如果想移动,能立即以接近光速(甚至可能是超过光速的)的速度移动,且没有任何噪声。外星人的记忆能移植,当一个肉体坏掉后,直接将记忆从坏掉的肉体移植到一个好的肉体,从而实现永生。这些科技,比人类领先几万年甚至几亿年。有人说人类实际上随时被维度更高的生命体控制着的。人类最初也是能永生的,就是一个肉体坏掉后,魂魄重新投胎,重新出生后能保留前世记忆,从而实现永生。但这个永生功能被那个高维度生命体关掉了。所以现在的人类出生后不再有前世记忆。但总有漏网之鱼,因此这个世界偶尔传出有再生人,保留着前世记忆。高维度生命体随时监控着地球,但难保也有漏网之鱼,因此人类偶尔会出一个牛顿或爱因斯坦之类的人物,让人类科技飞升一下,但那个高维度生命体永远不会让人类科技接近他们。所以人类科技永远无法实现那你说的这些突破。老子和佛祖释迦牟尼揭示了这个世界的运行规律,有人认为他们实际上是高维度生命体派到地球上来的。

[Highly]

外星飞船能瞬间消失或瞬间出现。如果想移动,能立即以接近光速(甚至可能是超过光速的)的速度移动,且没有任何噪声。外星人的记忆能移植,当一个肉体坏掉后,直接将记忆从坏掉的肉体移植到一个好的肉体,从而实现永生。这些科技,比人类领先几万年甚至几亿年。有人说人类实际上随时被维度更高的生命体控制着的。人类最初也是能永生的,就是一个肉体坏掉后,魂魄重新投胎,重新出生后能保留前世记忆,从而实现永生。但这个永生功能被那个高维度生命体关掉了。所以现在的人类出生后不再有前世记忆。但总有漏网之鱼,因此这个世界偶尔传出有再生人,保留着前世记忆。高维度生命体随时监控着地球,但难保也有漏网之鱼,因此人类偶尔会出一个牛顿或爱因斯坦之类的人物,让人类科技飞升一下,但那个高维度生命体永远不会让人类科技接近他们。所以人类科技永远无法实现那你说的这些突破。老子和佛祖释迦牟尼揭示了这个世界的运行规律,有人认为他们实际上是高维度生命体派到地球上来的。

基本上同意你说的每一点（除了人类被别人控制那一条）。释迦和基督（还有老子）都是大约两千多年前那个范围出现的，以人类那个时候的认知水平，他们就算说出高科技词汇，人类听不懂啊！所以只能借助神啊、佛啊这些比较虚幻的词汇来讲明白道理而已。

VR，computer simulations出现之前，怎么跟人类解释这些概念呢？只能用“四大皆空”这种说法。

[tiantian2000]

美国的确实是抛物线，峰顶点在阿波罗月球飙车。中国到目前还可以算是log

没用，catchup后，就抛物了。核聚变永远的胡萝卜

[laomei9]

核聚变，曲率引擎，虫洞，都是美好的事情

[off]

人类对过去和未来的思索被限定无法跨越的时空，那么量子纠缠的世界里，时空真的存在嘛？

妈的，马桶又堵了，我要起身捅马桶了。