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#41 Re: 感觉自己修车大部分时候 都是在浪费时间

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不好意思又来问你。你给的那个 realoem.com 很管用,不过我有个疑问。

你说的“The part number from BMW should be 61216819309.” 这个也是我ebay order 的part number。

不过realoem 上的图,那个小电池的negative cable 是没有IBS 的,而且part number 是 09. 61129255047
https://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/showpa ... 1216819309

我的车,大小电池都是有ibs 的,好奇怪。

我现在是大电池插着IBS,小电池没插。

seymour 写了: 2025年 11月 16日 20:25

A description of the IBS. note the section on startability limits. This is BMW copyrighted information. I may delete the reply in a couple of days.
The part number from BMW should be 61216819309.

IBS: Intelligent battery sensor
The IBS is a mechatronic, intelligent battery sensor with its own microcontroller. The microcontroller is an element of the electronics module. The electronics module records the voltage, the current flow and the temperature of the battery. The following components are fitted in the electronics module:

a measuring resistor for current measurement
a temperature sensor
evaluation electronics on a printed circuit board

Index Explanation
1 Negative battery terminal
2 Intelligent battery sensor (IBS)
3 Battery earth lead
The IBS continuously measures the following values on the battery:

Terminal voltage
Charge current
Discharge current
Battery temperature
For data transfer, the IBS is connected via a LIN bus (LIN stands for Local Interconnect Network) e.g. with the following control unit:

Digital Motor Electronics (DME) or Digital Diesel Electronics (DDE) or Electrical Digital Motor Electronics (EDME)

Index Explanation Index Explanation
1 Measurement of the battery voltage between the positive battery terminal and negative battery terminal 2 Temperature measurement of the battery (T)
3 Microcontroller (μC) in the intelligent battery sensor (IBS) 4 Digital Motor Electronics (DME) or Digital Diesel Electronics (DDE) or Electrical Digital Motor Electronics (EDME)
5 Measuring resistor (current measurement (A) via voltage drop (V) at measuring resistor) 6 Negative battery terminal
7 Positive battery terminal
LIN bus LIN bus for transmission of the values to the DME or DDE or EDME
System functions
The following system function of the power management with IBS ("Advanced Power Management") is described:
Determining state of charge
Determining the startability limit
Determining the battery condition
State of charge
The APM (Advanced Power Management) with the intelligent battery sensor (IBS) determines the state of charge while driving and when the vehicle is at a standstill with the help of measured data:

Driving:

Balancing the charge and discharge current of the battery.
Calculation of the current characteristics on engine start to ascertain the battery condition.
While driving, the IBS transfers the data across the LIN bus bit to the engine control unit (DME, DDE, EDME). The software in the IBS controls the communication with the higher-level engine control unit (DME, DDE, EDME).

Vehicle standstill

When the vehicle is at a standstill, the measured values (open-circuit voltage measurement) are queried in cycles to detect energy losses. The measured values are entered in the IBS in the memory and transferred to the DME, DDE or EDME after restarting the engine.

For the history of the state of charge, the following values are stored in the DME, DDE, EDME:

Battery state of charge of the last 5 days.
Charge status histogram showing periods in the ranges 0 - 20 %, 20 - 40 %, 40 - 60 %, 60 - 80 % and 80 - 100 %. The charge status histogram is reset in the following cases: programming the DME, DDE or EDME or registering a battery exchange.

Note!

Evaluating state of charge

The battery voltage measured by the IBS approaches the actual open-circuit voltage slowly after the vehicle has gone to sleep. The accuracy of the measured value increases with the duration of the rest phase: The measured state of charge is reliable after a rest phase of at least 3 hours. However, an insufficient rest phase or standby current violation may result in the state of charge not being properly determined: the state of charge is implausible.

Startability limit
The APM calculates a lower and an upper startability limit for the battery:

The lower startability limit corresponds to the minimum charge state of the battery so that the vehicle can still be started.
To counteract discharge down to the bottom startability limit, a certain charge volume is kept as a reserve. To achieve this, the upper startability limit is calculated. This value is used e.g. as the limit value for the requests for deactivation of terminal 30B when auxiliary consumers are active.
The startability limit is calculated by evaluating the following measured variables:

Average ambient temperature with vehicle parked.
Ambient temperature of the last journey.
Current state of charge.
Voltage dip of the last engine start (trend for ageing of the battery).
The startability limit is therefore dependent on the ambient temperature: The colder the ambient temperature, the more energy required for the engine start. Therefore the startability limit is higher for cold ambient temperatures:

Startability limit is approx. 30% state of charge at 15 °C.
Startability limit is approx. 50% state of charge at -15 °C.

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#42 Re: 感觉自己修车大部分时候 都是在浪费时间

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Took a quick look on TIS. The main battery with the power distribution box should have IBS. The auxiliary battery does not have ibs.
Maybe this is an option added by dealer? All options of the car including dealer modifications should be stored in the key. If you bring the key to a dealership, they have a reader that can read off the key and print out all the options of the car.
The other possibility is to check bimmer.work using the full 17 digit vin.
The bimmer.work database does not include dealer options but should have all factory options.
If you have a listed of all the options related with the electrical system, maybe I can look up which one will require a second ibs also on the auxiliary battery.

三农 写了: 2025年 11月 17日 18:03

不好意思又来问你。你给的那个 realoem.com 很管用,不过我有个疑问。

你说的“The part number from BMW should be 61216819309.” 这个也是我ebay order 的part number。

不过realoem 上的图,那个小电池的negative cable 是没有IBS 的,而且part number 是 09. 61129255047
https://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/showpa ... 1216819309

我的车,大小电池都是有ibs 的,好奇怪。

我现在是大电池插着IBS,小电池没插。

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#43 Re: 感觉自己修车大部分时候 都是在浪费时间

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大部分时候是在等工具或者等配件,修就那么几个小时。

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#44 Re: 感觉自己修车大部分时候 都是在浪费时间

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我这是二手车(可能是四手),所以不太知道加的什么option。

不过我是不是可以认为 这个不太用管了。我用Ancel scanner 又扫了一遍,没有error code。

现在只是cel 是亮的。

另外,发现车还有assisted parking,得学学怎么样。

好像还有satellite radio 😀

seymour 写了: 2025年 11月 17日 19:07

Took a quick look on TIS. The main battery with the power distribution box should have IBS. The auxiliary battery does not have ibs.
Maybe this is an option added by dealer? All options of the car including dealer modifications should be stored in the key. If you bring the key to a dealership, they have a reader that can read off the key and print out all the options of the car.
The other possibility is to check bimmer.work using the full 17 digit vin.
The bimmer.work database does not include dealer options but should have all factory options.
If you have a listed of all the options related with the electrical system, maybe I can look up which one will require a second ibs also on the auxiliary battery.

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#46 Re: 感觉自己修车大部分时候 都是在浪费时间

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You probably do not have to worry about it. The scanner is probably not good enough. It is not possible to have a CEL without a code.
It is probably set by a subsystem not supported by the scanner software.
If you inquire the battery subsystem, it should return the current level of charge and last 5 day charge history.
Sometimes the car will set a CEL after IBS is disconnected because the IBS reported a super low voltage to the ECU. The code will go away in 5 days if the ECU does not see the abnormal low voltage again.

三农 写了: 2025年 11月 17日 19:45

我这是二手车(可能是四手),所以不太知道加的什么option。

不过我是不是可以认为 这个不太用管了。我用Ancel scanner 又扫了一遍,没有error code。

现在只是cel 是亮的。

另外,发现车还有assisted parking,得学学怎么样。

好像还有satellite radio 😀

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#47 Re: 感觉自己修车大部分时候 都是在浪费时间

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三农 写了: 2025年 11月 17日 18:03

不好意思又来问你。你给的那个 realoem.com 很管用,不过我有个疑问。

你说的“The part number from BMW should be 61216819309.” 这个也是我ebay order 的part number。

不过realoem 上的图,那个小电池的negative cable 是没有IBS 的,而且part number 是 09. 61129255047
https://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/showpa ... 1216819309

我的车,大小电池都是有ibs 的,好奇怪。

我现在是大电池插着IBS,小电池没插。

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再问要加钱 :evil:

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#48 Re: 感觉自己修车大部分时候 都是在浪费时间

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是啊,省了钱,学了知识,还交了朋友

了吗?

:lol:

司马脱 写了: 昨天 00:35

再问要加钱 :evil:

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#49 Re: 感觉自己修车大部分时候 都是在浪费时间 (更新,总结在顶楼)

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换丰田是幸福生活的开始。

连专业修车匠都不会自己买二手宝马

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#50 Re: 感觉自己修车大部分时候 都是在浪费时间 (更新,总结在顶楼)

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你真搞笑,你稍微做下研究,找找网图,就会知道这车都是dual ibs---2个电池全部都是有ibs的

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三农 写了: 2025年 11月 15日 18:35

更新,总结 谢谢网友们的帮助,我觉着搞明白了。

这个车的小电池本就不应该有IBS。seymour 给的realoem.com 上,小电池就只有cable。前车主不知道什么原因,应该是让dealer 给小电池加了IBS,应该是车的电池系统有些问题。其实我拆电池的时候,就感觉所有的线都是tape 缠起来的,很紧,估计就是这个改装的原因。

现在又出了问题,我把小电池的IBS 拔掉。我感觉唯一的问题是车上的 cel (check engine light)亮了。只要拔掉IBS,engine 就会亮这个灯。可能唯一修好的办法是 弃婴 说的用 cable 和 软件 把好的 IBS 的code 输入。

先不管了,我坚信车子没有问题。我用Ancel 又scan,没有任何code。

话说回来了,买二手豪车很有惊喜啊。今天才发现车还有assisted parking,得学学怎么用。

好像还有satellite radio 😀

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#51 Re: 感觉自己修车大部分时候 都是在浪费时间 (更新,总结在顶楼)

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弃婴千枝 写了: 昨天 20:15

你真搞笑,你稍微做下研究,找找网图,就会知道这车都是dual ibs---2个电池全部都是有ibs的

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好,谢谢啦,还得修。

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#52 Re: 感觉自己修车大部分时候 都是在浪费时间 (更新,总结在顶楼)

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三农 写了: 今天 00:12

好,谢谢啦,还得修。

Not all X5s are built the same. The 61129255047 part number, which has no ibs, fits the X5 hybrid.
https://parts.bmwofsouthatlanta.com/oem ... XAmHeP7GNY

With the VIN information, the information on realoem should reflect the build order from factory. Another option could have been added after the car was built either by the dealer or by an Indy shop. If a dealer did it, the new option should have been stored in the footwell module and in the keys. You will need BMW software and the enet cable to pull the information from the footwell module. Read the information off the key is a lot easier. Your service advisor at the dealership typically does not charge you to read the information on the key.

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#53 Re: 感觉自己修车大部分时候 都是在浪费时间 (更新,总结在顶楼)

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我觉着我是得去趟dealer 那里了。(我到最近的dealer 还挺远。)

其实我还有个问题:感觉这个车的high voltage battery 应该老化了不少。充满电应该开15 英里,现在可能只能开10 英里左右。

从Grok 上看到这个车有 8年/8万迈 的电池 warranty,所以我想让 dealer 给测测,看我能不能拿到 replacement。

能拿到的话 就太好了。

seymour 写了: 今天 01:47

Not all X5s are built the same. The 61129255047 part number, which has no ibs, fits the X5 hybrid.
https://parts.bmwofsouthatlanta.com/oem ... XAmHeP7GNY

With the VIN information, the information on realoem should reflect the build order from factory. Another option could have been added after the car was built either by the dealer or by an Indy shop. If a dealer did it, the new option should have been stored in the footwell module and in the keys. You will need BMW software and the enet cable to pull the information from the footwell module. Read the information off the key is a lot easier. Your service advisor at the dealership typically does not charge you to read the information on the key.

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